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According to Mark Andrew Holmes, among others, the asteroid Lilith represents the principle of integration and triangulation.
She represents things that are deeply buried and repressed that must come to light. Television made its debut in San Francisco the year she was discovered (Sept. 6, 1927). This is one media that is instrumental in bringing about public awareness of what has been repressed and can invoke a similar deeply emotional response as Lilith in our lives.
Where Lilith lies, we may deal with victimization, issues we or others don't want to face, things of an occult nature, racism and other forms of bigotry, issues of equality, divided loyalties, triangulation or playing both sides against the middle. We might face using sex or other power to dominate or repress. Here we can tap into the best way to release repressed anger hidden in the dark, then transform it into light.
At discovery she was at 7 Leo Rx with her declination at 11*24 and her node at 4 Capricorn. Although this is long before I was born, perhaps these positions are part of why I have such a strong connection to her. My natal Mars in the 5th house is conjunct her north node and only 2 degrees away from my vertex. My Mars, though, is out of bounds at 27 degrees, showing that I will express Lilith's discovery through my Martian energy in a way that is out of the norm, hopefully for the better, in a more exalted way. Both my natal Saturn and Venus are contraparallel her discovery position. Hades (what is hidden, deeply buried) is parallel and Transpluto, (the need to be able to express our true nature and be self-sufficient) also called Vulcan, is conjunct. Both of these are hypothetical at this point, but so is Lilith in here Dark Moon form. Both of these hypothetical bodies connect well with her. Transpluto needs to be self sufficient as Lilith did. She refused to accept the role of being safe and secure, only if she was subservient to Adam, her equal. Lilith lies deep within my 4th house in the recess of the unconscious, the soul and the family heritage. Hades, while usually residing in this area of the underworld, is conjunct the MC directly overhead, in the 9th house of religion. Yes, my inherited religion is Christianity with its roots in Judaism. The men in my family rule the roost and I was taken from my mom by the courts with the help of her mother, because she dared to have a lesbian relationship in the 60s. Her 1st divorce came about because of my dad's involvement with a new love, their first date the night I was born. Her 2nd divorce came about when she got involved with a black man.
I share this to give your a glimpse of the background of my awareness and approach.
January 17, 2007During the year that asteroid Lilith progressed (25Scorpio) to square both Pandora (25Aquarius) and Pluto (25Leo) my husband of many years unleashed his repressed anger. I had attended my sister's all girl birthday party the night before. Her and a few others wanted to go up to the local pub to enjoy some music but they had been drinking so I offered to drive them. It was only for an hour or so and I was home around 1am. It had probably been over 20 years since I'd done anything without either him or my children with me. He became irate the next day saying I was "out running around to all the barzzzzzzzzzzzzz" I kind of chuckled which sent him into a rage and he choked me.
At this time Lilith was transiting in conjunction with natal Pluto so she was moving in to embrace her power and blocking, or struggling with it at the same time. How does Pandora fit in here? Well, she was given a beautiful box. Perhaps it is her voice, released through the throat. I use to sing and play guitar. I gave it up when so many little fingers muted the sound of the chords. But I don't think that was the real reason. I put away my music along with my self in order to conform to what I thought he expected and I should be. I loved my time of music and dancing and realized that night just how much I missed it.
Pandora was visiting Gemini friends over in the 11th house. Actually, this is the 5th house children of my husband. My two (Gemini) youngest children were watching. She was at the degree that matches Ivy Goldstein Jacobson's calculation for my Dark Moon Lilith, her hypothetical form. What's even more interesting is that Waltemath's calculation for Dark Moon in my chart is 26 Taurus so his placement fills in the fixed T square formed by Progressed Lilith, natal Pluto and Pandora, now creating a fixed grand square, easier to handle, so they say. (see Black Moon Lilith for more on this story)
Perhaps what he was really afraid of is that I might open up the other vessel that is referred to by some as a box, the holy of holies in the inner sanctuary. Jump ahead for just a moment and look at this picture of the Red Sea where Lilith dwells. Do you see the entrance to the inner sanctuary, veiled with a curtain just as described in the Old Testament? Within the Holy of Holies is the Arc of the Covenant, the Holy Grail that contains the law, the rod (a phallic symbol) and manna, the holy food, "available to all but only fully realized by all those who prepare themselves spiritually, like the saintly Galahad." Just as only one child can be conceived and born per year, so the High Priest can only enter the Holy of Holies once per year. Once properly attired he entered with a cord attached to his waist so that his assistants could retrieve him. The Christian version of the Chalice contains the Holy blood of Christ shed for the sins of the world. Before the priest entered a blood sacrifice was made and it was sprinkled 7 times on cover of the ark. Both a bull (Taurus) and goat (Capricorn) was sacrificed. The bull was the priest's atonment and the goat was atonement for the people. Since Taurus is 5th from Capricorn I would say this represents the child of the father atoning, first for himself, then for his father. There was a 2nd goat involved though. He was the scapegoat, let loose in the wilderness. If he didn't return, the sins of the people were forgiven.
Since the asteroid moves more slowly than Black Moon Lilith, I think the asteroid is where we see her more in the outer world acting out her themes. I can't be sure of this yet, as the chart I know most intimately, mine, shows the asteroid and Moon's apogee within 2 degrees of each other. This makes it hard to distinguish the two. But here I will move on to the next face of Lilith.
Lilith, the asteroid represents Lilith's themes in tangible evidence that can be tracked and seen. The asteroid is the only physical form of Lilith.
Dark Moon and Black Moon Lilith
Wildcats shall meet
goat-demons shall call
to each other;
there too Lilith shall repose,
and find a place to rest.
There shall the owl nest
in its shadow.
Isaiah 34 14-15
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(In English: Senoy, Sansenoy and Semangelof)" as mentioned by Ben-Siri.
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Black Moon Lilith contains the memory stored in the subconscious of the ancient, eternal feminine. She is the trail of the sacred yin, the Holy Spirit hovering over the waters. Where the asteroid is her physical form and Dark Moon the witness of her presence without proof, Black Moon is more like the fingerprints she leaves behind, or her DNA evidence found in her bodily fluids or that of the other.
Work In progress
February 2, 2007
Black Moon is the lunar apogee, the farthest point that the Moon gets from Earth. The mean Black Moon Lilith moves about 39 degrees per year or about 3 deg 8 min per month. The true Black
Moon (oscillating apogee) varies greatly, since it retrogrades a lot. If you look at a Black Moon ephemeris, you can see that the true can move anywhere from 9 deg. in a year to over 70 degrees. It takes approx. 9 years to complete one pass through all 12 signs. This means that she averages one sign every 9 months, the length of gestation. There can be up to 30 degrees difference between mean and true apogee. When there is a large difference between the two, the native keeps Lilith more deeply buried and often expresses her as a demon, rather than as a light in dark places.
Trusty Webster has this to say on the word osculating:
osculant: united by certain characteristics
oscular: pertaining to an osculum, pertaining to the mouth or kissing
osculate: <L. osculum little mouth, kiss, dim. of os.
1. to kiss
2. to come into close contact or union
3. (geometry, of a curve) to touch another curve or another part of the same curve so as to have the same tangent and curvature at the point of contact
4. to touch another curve or another part of the same curve in osculation
1. the act of kissing
2. a kiss
3. close contact
4. (geometry) the contact between two osculating curves ect.
osculum: a dimuitive of os,
1. a mouth, any of the outflowing currents of water in sponges.
2. any of the suckers o the head of a tapeworm. (yuck)
The "moment of osculation" shows the position constantly changing and therefore unique to each moment. Osculation refers to the "point of contact" at a given instant between the orbital plane or the trajectory of an orbiting body. It shows the perturbed orbital plane of the body as seen through time.
Apogee is, of course, the point furthest away in its orbit. So Black Moon Lilith, as the osculating apogee is the kiss furthest away from or happening in the most distant time, the first kiss.
You might also look at the osculating apogee, Black Moon as the opening that we entered in the very beginning, that place furthest away from the physical world when spirit decided to descend into matter. Perhaps BML represents our parting kiss with our Spiritual Mother before she released us to our physical mother.
Lilith as the Black Moon is a good indicator for health issues, expecially shown through the apparant position. She brings upheaval in the life with the goal of moving us more in accordance with our true desires. She will confront us with where love and desire has become twisted and has been used to shame, control or punish. Whether we are the light bearer or bringer of darkness is determined by the difference between the apparent and true, her aspects and how well we integrate Lilith's light throughout our life. But regardless of whether she seems to be a light or dark goddess, her goal is the same, our return to innocence and truth.
I've had a strong indication that Lilith is connected to the blood mysteries just as Ceres-Demeter is. Women will be able to relate to the changes in the blood along with the shame, embarassment that has been attached to the Moon time throughout history. BML may show when you enter into puberty or get your first kiss. My asteroid Lilith is at 8Scorpio50, mean Black Moon at 9Scorpio09 and true BML is at 10Scorpio37. They show when my breast developed, at 9-10 years old and when I began my menstrual cycles at 11 years. Ceres, the other blood goddess, touched them by Solar arc direction during those years. I can't quite remember my first kiss but it could have happened that year but I think it was the next year Ceres arced to my pars heyleg. Perhaps yours is seen this easily but you may have to look deeper for the connection, which I'm sure is there.
I've had first hand experience with the difference in people with very little or very large difference between mean and true BML. They say we often marry our parents and I certainly did with my first marriage. We had enough connections to keep us together for 26 years but Lilith, the demon was prominant with both he and my dad. There was a difference of 12 degrees between apparent and true BML in my dad's case and a difference of 21 degrees difference with my 1st husband.
Notice 12 is 21 reversed. They both believe in equality as long as the wife is doing what they want them too. My dad refused to let my step-mom take her car when she was attempting to leave him. When I confronted him on his boasts of equality he replied, "That is different. I owned title to the car, and I didn't want her to leave." When I agreed to sell him my car during my divorce he gave half the money owed to my almost ex husband even though he had two other vehicles and left me with the previous months bills, because his name was on the title. I remember my ex telling me one time he would allow us to do something to further finish our still unfinished house if he liked the way our marriage was going, meaning if I would give him sex. Our house was nearly 20 years old and still unfinished because he held the major purse strings.
My dad "apparently" projects Lilith as noble, with her position being at 21Leo, a critical degree. You might think its about love, Leo, but its not. It's really about looking at others as servants that are beneath him, and even more about being afraid he isn't as good as the next person as shown by true BML at 3 Virgo. His Venus-Mercury-Saturn is square 21Leo and he has diabetes, a Venus dis-ease that has taken a great toll on his heart, Leo. His Sun in Aquarius is also quindecile apparent BML which would cause the upheaval at 21Leo. I love my dad and have realized I am in his life to further Liliths journey into the light.
My former husband has apparent BML at 3Taurus with true BML at 12Aries very close to his intercepted node, both in the 2nd house of values. Mars and Neptune are opposing true BML from the 8th house of sex and power. His apparent BML is trine my dad's true so it made it easy to see the similarities and connections.
He makes it appear to be all about money, sex and power, especially with Venus square apparant or mean BML but that isn't what it's really about. His true BML is quindecile my Venus at 27Libra and is really about Liberty vs. Law, who I am, or others are in realation to him.
The lesson in Aries/Libra is that the only rights we have are those that don't endanger anyone else's right to life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness in the fairest sense. I could reasonably assume that I can choose my clothing without violating anyone else's rights. But what if the one I am in relationship with is allergic to the wool sweater I want to wear? Then I loose that right if I want to be in relationship with him. The problem comes in when the other makes demands that aren't necessary or in the best interest of all concerned. Our apparant problems were about control over decisions regarding resources and who was more valuable. I wanted to be considered just as valuable as him for my contribution even though it didn't have an income attached. He disagreed. This was the topic of most of our arguments, usually consisting of me doing all the talking and him telling me, "If you don't like it, divorce me."
But what the real problem was is him needing to give up some of his perceived rights if he wanted the privileges I offered to make his life more comfortable and valuable. One was the right to withhold the resources necessary that would allow me to provide a comfortable home for us where I spent all of my time providing for his and our childrens needs.
His apparant BML resides in the 2nd, close to the 3rd cusp and is square Venus who disposits from the 12th. He has problems with the hands, shoulder and recurring upper respiratory issues all connected to the 3rd. He could likely develope diabetes, a Venus issue, since it is in his family. But hopefully, he will resolve his love issues so they need not manifest in the body as dis-ease.
ONE OF MY MOST MEMORABLE LILITH DAYSOn one clearly Lilith day when my ex husband choked me, Venus was exact to the minute square mean apogee but transiting true apogee was contra-antiscion natal my true BML within 5 minutes while oposing his natal Sun. I don't have the exact time for this event but I know it was about noon so it's close.
His Moon was on the ascendant at that time with Lilith square, also
opposing his Sun. This event sent me into a time of not completely
being in my body, I think. I call it my crazy time. I can see that
whole period from both within and outside of myself. My parents thought it would be a good idea to get me out of town so they took me with them to California. I saw my first real mountains.
One morning when I woke up on route, we were parked at the salt flats in Salt Lake
City. Just like Lilith, I dwelt by the Red (Dead-Salt) Sea. I had the strangest dream there. But I could also see Jesus walking on water. If you've ever seen the salt flats, you know what I mean.
Latest edit Feb. 17, 2007
This body is a hypothetical 2nd Moon surrounded by conflicting information and ideas. Ivy Goldstien Jacobson's calculations puts her at 18Gemini in my chart but Waltemath puts her at 26Taurus, quite a difference.. For now, I am keeping my options open to the possibility of her existence.
I am coming to the conclusion that where Asteroid Lilith is her physical form and Black Moon is the trail and memory of her historic evolutionary journey, Dark Moon Lilith is more like hear-say evidence, the kind that is there but is hard to convict someone on although they do sometimes, especially in cases of criminal sexual conduct.
According to Wiki
..."Astronomically, Dark Moon Lilith is supposed to have a geocentric period of 119 days and to orbit at three times the distance of the Moon. Its diameter is said to be about one quarter that of the Moon. Despite many criticisms as bad science, the idea's proponents maintain it follows an orbit stationary to the opposing side of our world's primary moon, Selene or Luna, rendering it invisible except when crossing the sun. This conception of one orbiting object being hidden by its position behind another is often likened to the Counter-Earth of Pythagorean philosophy, which would be at the (unstable) Lagrange Point, L2.
Some early secondary moon theories explained its hidden nature simply by the dark coloring of its terrestrial surface.
Serious scientists object to all of these theories, pointing to the obvious fact that any second moon of the Earth would have been seen by now. (My answer to this is that we never see anything until we are ready to assimilate its meaning and significance.)
Due to the many readily apparent holes in Lilith's supportive argument (not least of which is her general defiance of the laws of gravity) the actual physical existence of this astronomical object is believed only by fringe groups comparable to the Flat Earth Society.
In 1846, French astronomer Frederic Petit, director of the observatory at Toulouse, announced that he had discovered a second moon in an elliptical orbit around the Earth. This claim was, for the most part, dismissed by his peers. However, writer Jules Verne learned of it and became intrigued by the idea. In 1865, he made use of this theory in his novel, From the Earth to the Moon.
The explosive popularity of the book triggered a push by amateur astronomers all over the world to be the first to confirm Petit's supposed discovery. In 1898, Hamburg scientist Dr. Georg Waltemath announced he had located a second moon inside a whole system of tiny moons orbiting the Earth. However, after the failure of a highly publicized observation of this invisible moon by the scientific community, the idea of a second moon fell out of the mainstream and into the realm of fringe science.
Later, in 1918, astrologer Walter Gornold, also known as "Sepharial" claimed to have confirmed the existence of a second moon and named it Lilith, after Adam's first wife in Christian mythology. Sepharial affirmed that Lilith was indeed invisible for most of the time but claimed to have viewed it as it crossed the sun. Lilith soon became incorporated into some horoscopes. Some astrologers use it in their calculations to this day.
In 1926, an amateur German astronomer named W. Spill also claimed to have successfully viewed Lilith. No such claims have ever been successfully proven...."
Reading this brought to mind the the Moon and women's cycles and the process of gestation, the greatest mystery of life, now becoming unveiled through modern technology. I got to wondering exactly what developement was taking place at 119 days (17 weeks), the supposed geocentric period of this body. According to the Visible Embryo
At 17 weeks post ovulation the toe and finger prints are developed along with the outer genitalia. The uterus in a female begins to develope. Circulation is functional and eyes are in proper position.
The child now has a unique identity, visible though still hidden from the world.
Pondering what might have appeared to these people that looked to be a quarter the size of the Moon, imagining myself in their shoes, perhaps gazing at the Moon for long periods of time, a thought came to me. Could it be that what they saw was the ghost of the Moon caused by looking at the lighted Full Moon for a period of time? I know from experience when you look at an object , especially one that projects light like the Moon or a person, you begin to see their aura if you have your vision unfocused. Then when you look away, setting your focus on a wall or the sky, you'll see its negative, a ghost image.
Try it. Look at a light bulb in your home for a couple minutes with unfocused gaze. Then move your focus to the wall and relax your focus again. You will at first see the whole lamp but then you will notice a dark small area that is the deepest brightest part of the light bulb. Could it be that they were projecting the ghost or Moon's negative onto the sky?
I remember one particularlly bright full Moon, I gazed rather intently at her shadows, realizing for the first time that the shadow is where the image of the crab came from. The shadows formed a perfect crab with one claw reaching down on the right side as I faced her. I remember thinking, that is her left arm, her receiving arm. The image of the shadow stayed in my vision as I moved my eyes off her. What was the darkness of the shadow became light against the dark sky. Please read that again...
What was the darkness of the shadow became light against the dark sky.
Another thought occurred to me. I notice that my natal position of Dark Moon Lilith, according to Ivy Goldstein Jacobson's calculation is at the same degree as my sidereal Lunar south node. Just a coincidence? Perhaps not. From the viewpoint of the center of our galaxy, the Milky Way, my historic roots as a woman are embodied in DML from a terrestrial view point.
Waltemath's calculation puts DML opposite my Arabic part of death. The formula for that part is Ascendant + 8th - Moon. Now wouldn't it stand to reason that the point opposite would be the point of life?
The Sun assures life on earth. If Sepharial or any of the others are only seeing DML as she crosses the Sun, could it be that they are seeing sunspots or what are called floaters? I have them. They are caused by bringing our eyes too close to the Sun. When I look at a plain background with unfocused vision I see dark cloudy spots with lines that connect them. They move around in a particular pattern.
If DML is only Waltemath's imagination it may or may not resonate with any particular person. The progressions and transits will tell the tale. It may be though, that this possible optacle illusion is no illusion at all. Perhaps Waltemath's position shows what Luna's shadow wishes to give and Jacobson's position shows what her shadow wishes to receive for what she has given. Perfect balance perfectly expressed.
As all of this is purely speculation I welcome your comments.
To find where Lilith is according to Jacobson's calculations you'll either have to buy her book, own Kepler's software of have me calculate it for you.
To find where DML is in your chart according to Waltemath visit www.astro.com . In the area for hypothetical bodies enter h58.
Want to calculate your Arabic parts? Visit here.
Here's a list of formulas.
In astronomy a Dark Moon is the absence of a new Moon in any given month. The next time this happens in August 30, 2008.